But at least the change wasn't as abrupt as what happened at KGO San Francisco. I didn't even get a last chance to listen to the old talk format.
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Alt 92.3 to Become WINS Simulcast
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KYW 1060/103.9 has eliminated almost all references on the air to 1060 except in the every half hour Legal station IDs. However they did not change their traffic tip line phone number which still ends in 1060.
If anyone tried to program a modern rock station *today* using the placeholder playlist 101.9 had in 2012, it would fail miserably.
Obviously I am not saying they should use the same playlist. At that time they got it right. For this month one would expect them to play a larger variety that includes new music and older less played out. Songs that actually fit the format.
i just came in here to chime in on WINS' migration to FM and the end of Alt Rock in NYC as a mainstream radio format, it sucks, but in a way, this was a decision by corporate to move a AM talk format (in this case, all news radio) to a FM station because FM is the new AM and streaming is the new FM, truth be told, the market just isn't a Alt friendly market for mainstream radio anymore cause Alt like Rock in Dallas, was just too niche to be a sustainable format for radio in that market, that's why Audacy gave up the ghost and gave the frequency to the legendary 1010 WINS simlar to how KEGL in Dallas owned by iHeartRadio decided to kill a Eagle just so they can get their Freak on and build a new Sports/Hot Talk hybrid to chip away at the legendary KTCK 1310 AM (and 96.7 on the FM dial in more recent times) The Ticket and KRLD FM 105.3 The Fan's ratings as a sports station and The Ticket has been the format leader since they launched in 1993 while 105.3 The Fan has The Dallas Cowboys to keep them afloat after they launched in 2008 kicking the old Live 105.3 format and Russ Martin to the curve (Russ' death played a factor in 97.1 The Eagle's demise as well as adding Mavs Basketball radio rights before 103.3 ESPN in Dallas went bye bye, the addition of the Ben & Skin show and the Clo Raborn child porn/pedophilia scandal impacting the newly rechristened "The Treehouse" post death of Russ).
Now Dallas gets it rock from the Internet, Sirius XM, and 97.1 HD2 on HD Radio as well as the classic rock on KZPS Lone Star 92.5 and Alt 92.3's Dallas sister station KVIL Alt 103.7 (but i could see the Alt branding being phased out and harder rock hits once played on The Eagle being added on to the playlist to keep the former Eagle listeners happy).
The same could be said about New York City's Alt Rock fix, they could get it from Sirius XM's Alt Nation, 92.3 HD 2 which i'm sure may have already relaunched under the Alt format, the Audacy App and all Alt Rock stations outside the market as well as 92.3 HD2 as well as the iHeartRadio app and TuneIn for the same reason and Spotify & Pandora as well as YouTube, as i said the same in the thread about the Eagle's demise, i say if you want to follow your favorite Alt Rock acts, follow them on their websites and social media to find out what's going on with the bands and acts, for more local acts, go to the local music venues that Alt Rock acts perform to discover them and the follow them on social media.
Now Dallas gets it rock from the Internet, Sirius XM, and 97.1 HD2 on HD Radio as well as the classic rock on KZPS Lone Star 92.5 and Alt 92.3's Dallas sister station KVIL Alt 103.7 (but i could see the Alt branding being phased out and harder rock hits once played on The Eagle being added on to the playlist to keep the former Eagle listeners happy).
The same could be said about New York City's Alt Rock fix, they could get it from Sirius XM's Alt Nation, 92.3 HD 2 which i'm sure may have already relaunched under the Alt format, the Audacy App and all Alt Rock stations outside the market as well as 92.3 HD2 as well as the iHeartRadio app and TuneIn for the same reason and Spotify & Pandora as well as YouTube, as i said the same in the thread about the Eagle's demise, i say if you want to follow your favorite Alt Rock acts, follow them on their websites and social media to find out what's going on with the bands and acts, for more local acts, go to the local music venues that Alt Rock acts perform to discover them and the follow them on social media.
San Francisco is in an area where FM reception is bad in a lot of places. I believe need the AM in some spots more than they do in other markets.
Chicago was using "Newsradio 780 & 105.9FM" and "Newsradio 105.9FM" since the launch of the FM, but as of this year they dropped all mentions of the AM with new imaging they introduced. Now it's "105-9 WBBM"
They were literally using the same music log as WKQX-LP in Chicago was. It was just the Chicago music log with different imaging.
So with very little effort they got their best ratings book ever. WNYL would still be around if they did anything else with Alt other than that failed abortion of a playlist and that morning show.
I like to hear new artists and songs! Bob Moses for example I found on Alt 92.3 and Maneskin.
740 covers parts of the market that the FM does not. In the case of LA, the FM does better than the AM.
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That was so heartbreaking to hear him break down and start crying on the air, especially being the one to bring the bad news
That’s the general curse of most of the FMs. In fact, most of the SF FMs don’t put an an adequate on “paper FCC signal” over San Jose. Only a few of the grandfathered ones,. It’s even worse in Santa Rosa.
Not the best FM market when it comes to signals, true.
It seems that there are just too many strikes against 92.3 as a rock station, combined with WINS still being a viable brand at the moment, and they just can't afford to make the move to fm too late when everyone under 60 has no recollection or connection to the WINS NEWS brand.
-Just look at the ratings that Country got on 94.7mhz in comparison to the dreadful billing. So yeah....(all I will say is you cannot teach or combat a perceived ignorance when it's so much deeper than that, as it is with the agencies making media buys in this market)
-Sure, Q104-3 is the counter argument but they have been getting phenomenal ratings and obviously the PER is very, very low there, even when masked by moving the money around as a market's radio company cluster-mates can.
--All I will say is that this is so inconsequential, it's just a music format on the radio, but you can use it as a microcosm of more important things that have been going on, but I think I have gabbed enough on this topic and I should probably bow out right here.
-Just look at the ratings that Country got on 94.7mhz in comparison to the dreadful billing. So yeah....(all I will say is you cannot teach or combat a perceived ignorance when it's so much deeper than that, as it is with the agencies making media buys in this market)
-Sure, Q104-3 is the counter argument but they have been getting phenomenal ratings and obviously the PER is very, very low there, even when masked by moving the money around as a market's radio company cluster-mates can.
--All I will say is that this is so inconsequential, it's just a music format on the radio, but you can use it as a microcosm of more important things that have been going on, but I think I have gabbed enough on this topic and I should probably bow out right here.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it (Alt 92.3) rating better during to pandemic programming era? My question is, if musically it was doing something right then, why change it and kill the audience? I would listen to a more contemporary Alternative station as opposed to what is generally served up by the Corporates these days.
I live in Australia and we have the Triple J network. I use to be a fan, but I kind of got over it. I stream WEQX (Manchester, Vermont/Albany, NY) all the time. To my mind it's the way (Commercial) Alt radio should be done, but will never happen in a corporate environment. It's new music heavy, and respectful of the format history.
OTA radio cannot sustain the digital media world of today.In '65, top 40 listeners could not believe 1010 was abandoning them.
The size of the market has no bearing on the success of specific formats. What matters is the percentage of people in a market... any market... who like a specific format.
Due to fragmentation within alternative rock, what we have are several distinct varieties, much of which does not overlap. The result is that any specific variety of alternative rock can't get a high enough share to be a sales success.
Country in NYC is the victim of nearly zero lifestyle presence and only a small partisan group. Advertisers just don't buy stations that are 15th or so in their target demographic.
There is also no Regional Mexican station, despite there being about a million Mexicans in the market. Not enough of them would listen to get a big rating and, thus, sales.
And in general, the increasing percentage of Blacks and Hispanics makes rhythmic music more prevalent. When a major group is so large, it can push tastes. In fact, more than half the market in 18-34 is Black or Hispanic and that pushes what is exposed in clubs, festivals, street fairs and the like. New York is a rhythmic town now, not a rock town.
And that station does not have a city grade signal in either Manchester or Albany. It bills about 30% of what the sales of an average Pizza Hut are, and is a really small-town station. Not driven by ratings, they can do whatever they want as they won't be getting agency sales.
But there were other choices, starting with WABC. No loss of a unique format.
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