Jhani Kaye Leaving KRTH/KTWV

[calguy]

We've veered off into CHR and KIIS vs Amp, and really this thread is about Jhani Kaye leaving KRTH-KTWV. I'm interested to know who might be in the running for the PD job. Will it be one person, or two with each station getting a programmer? What about Kaye? If things don't pan out in those other areas, could he be lured back to radio? Or would radio even want him then?

 

[Thomps2525]

One possibility, at least for KRTH, is Tip Landay, who is the assistant program director at KRTH and also spent several years working with Jhani Kaye at KOST. But really, can't practically anyone do the job of playing the same burned-out songs over and over and over and over and over and coming up with some fun contests once in a while?

 

[Domino Rippy]

Who will follow Jhani Kaye at Kearth

I see no one has asked this question. Let the names Begin.

 

[davideduardo]

One possibility, at least for KRTH, is Tip Landay, who is the assistant program director at KRTH and also spent several years working with Jhani Kaye at KOST. But really, can't practically anyone do the job of playing the same burned-out songs over and over and over and over and over and coming up with some fun contests once in a while?

The songs being played "over and over and over" are the ones the majority of listeners want to hear time and time again.

The ones the don't play are the ones that are burnt out or have strong negatives attached.

A PDs job is a heck of a lot more than just scheduling the music. That's why in the past many stations had separate positions for doing the music functions.

 

[Thomps2525]

Re: Who will follow Jhani Kaye at Kearth

Should I complain that KRTH no longer plays I Will Follow Him by Little Peggy March? The question of who might replace Jhani Kaye was asked at http://radiodiscussions.com/smf/index.php?topic=230978.60 and I suggested KRTH assistant program director Tip Landay, who also worked with Kaye for several years at KOST.

 

[calguy]

Re: Who will follow Jhani Kaye at Kearth

Tip Landay was the Program Director of Miami's Coast-WFLC for about 5 years. The Wave's APD is Paul Ciliano. Ciliano programmed WSB FM in Atlanta. Landay is living across the country and telecommutes as APD. They might need to make it a sweet offer to get him to move back to LA. Both men have the experience, but there will be others from out side who will go after these high profile jobs too.

 

[Thomps2525]

Every weekend, as we all know, KRTH plays the same songs they play on all the other days of the week. No matter what they call it---Movie Tunes Weekend, '70s Soul Weekend, British Invasion Weekend, Parade Of Hits Weekend---the two songs at the top and bottom of each hour fit the "theme" and otherwise it's "the same old songs." This weekend somebody came up with a different name: in honor of the first week of the 2013 baseball season, KRTH is having a "Home Run Hits Weekend."

Yawn.

But with KOLA's recent switch to a 1970s-80s-90s format, KRTH should pick up a lot of former KOLA listeners who hate the music of the '90s. Whoever replaces Jhani Kaye will certainly be watching KOLA's numbers. If KOLA's ratings don't improve, KRTH probably will not add any '90s hits to their playlist.

 

[davideduardo]

But with KOLA's recent switch to a 1970s-80s-90s format, KRTH should pick up a lot of former KOLA listeners who hate the music of the '90s. Whoever replaces Jhani Kaye will certainly be watching KOLA's numbers. If KOLA's ratings don't improve, KRTH probably will not add any '90s hits to their playlist.

KOLA historically has gotten a 0.2 to 0.3 share and a 0.0 rating in LA, so there is not going to be much to watch there... the usable KOLA signal just skims the eastern areas of the San Gabriel Valley, although it's a decent listen in much of Orange County.

In any case, I don't think that KRTH would be much influenced by a much smaller market station with a much different local competitive array. If they consider freshening the music, they will do some research to determine what, if anything, to add and what to get rid of.

 

[Thomps2525]

Davd, now that KOLA no longer plays music of the 1960s, do you think KRTH might add more '60s songs? With the exception of Beatles album tracks, almost all the '60s songs played on KRTH were 1964-69 top-ten hits. Since KOLA has very little listenership in L.A. county, Jhani Kaye (and, very likely, his successor as well) probably figures that disgruntled KOLA listeners will listen to KRTH anyway...but I would love to hear lower-charting '60s songs on KRTH.

 

[ercjncpr]

Davd, now that KOLA no longer plays music of the 1960s, do you think KRTH might add more '60s songs? With the exception of Beatles album tracks, almost all the '60s songs played on KRTH were 1964-69 top-ten hits. Since KOLA has very little listenership in L.A. county, Jhani Kaye (and, very likely, his successor as well) probably figures that disgruntled KOLA listeners will listen to KRTH anyway...but I would love to hear lower-charting '60s songs on KRTH.

I don't know if you will hear them because even the 60s channel on Sirius XM will not play 'em. Only time I've recently heard lower charting 60s stuff is when I listen (viaTuneIn Radio app) to CISL in Vancouver.

 

[davideduardo]

Davd, now that KOLA no longer plays music of the 1960s, do you think KRTH might add more '60s songs? With the exception of Beatles album tracks, almost all the '60s songs played on KRTH were 1964-69 top-ten hits. Since KOLA has very little listenership in L.A. county, Jhani Kaye (and, very likely, his successor as well) probably figures that disgruntled KOLA listeners will listen to KRTH anyway...but I would love to hear lower-charting '60s songs on KRTH.

The real issue here is that KOLA is irrelevant to anyone at KRTH. It is a fringe signal, and unable ever to be an LA station for sales because of its low numbers and limited signal in the LA metro.

Listeners do and will identify KOLA as an out of market signal, with ads for places out of town. While that might seem to be a minor issue, when other cases of fringe signals have presented themselves in other markets, they never gain traction unless they flush the small market ads and small market identity.

Nobody wants to play 60's songs today, as the demo those tunes appeals to has no sales appeal. In fact, most classic hits stations have nearly eliminated the 60's songs save for those that got extensive play into the late 70's as gold on CHR stations. That is because they can't get the valuable 40-54 core for classic hits with too many 60's songs.

 

[ercjncpr]

Davd, now that KOLA no longer plays music of the 1960s, do you think KRTH might add more '60s songs? With the exception of Beatles album tracks, almost all the '60s songs played on KRTH were 1964-69 top-ten hits. Since KOLA has very little listenership in L.A. county, Jhani Kaye (and, very likely, his successor as well) probably figures that disgruntled KOLA listeners will listen to KRTH anyway...but I would love to hear lower-charting '60s songs on KRTH.

The real issue here is that KOLA is irrelevant to anyone at KRTH. It is a fringe signal, and unable ever to be an LA station for sales because of its low numbers and limited signal in the LA metro.

Listeners do and will identify KOLA as an out of market signal, with ads for places out of town. While that might seem to be a minor issue, when other cases of fringe signals have presented themselves in other markets, they never gain traction unless they flush the small market ads and small market identity.

Nobody wants to play 60's songs today, as the demo those tunes appeals to has no sales appeal. In fact, most classic hits stations have nearly eliminated the 60's songs save for those that got extensive play into the late 70's as gold on CHR stations. That is because they can't get the valuable 40-54 core for classic hits with too many 60's songs.

David is right on the money here, because I prefer 70s music and I will be 57 in August.

 

[Thomps2525]

Mister ercjncpr---and may I say that your name reminds me of Mr. Mxyzptlk in the Superman comics?---you mentioned Sirius XM's '60s Channel. Prior to the 2008 merger of the two satellite radio companies, the channel had a 3300-song playlist. Every top-40 hit got played, some (of course) much more than others. Following the merger, most of the 1960-63 songs were moved to the '50s channel and the playlist was cut to a measly 600 songs. In the past two years, Lou Simon has been re-adding a lot of songs and the playlist now has more than 2200. (I know because, under another screen name on another site, I've compiled---and posted---lists for a lot of the channels.)

Many of the satellite radio subscribers complain about all the early '60s songs being ignored. They also complain that the lower-charting songs aren't getting enough airplay. Of course those same subscribers probably got XM in the first place because they were tired of hearing the same few hundred songs over and over and over on FM oldies stations. They therefore do not represent the "average listener." But I disagree with David that the average listener no longer wants to hear '60s songs. Maybe they just don't want to keep hearing the same few over and over. Who can get excited about hearing My Girl or Happy Together or Oh Pretty Woman for the 50,000th time? RAdio should be playing more '60s songs, not fewer. And I know a lot of people in their 20s and 30s who love hearing '60s music for the big reason that they hate most of the music of the 1990s, 2000s and 2010s. Rap and hip-hop ain't for everybody, y'know!

I wonder if there will someday be a "Music Of Your Life"-style network that plays the 1950s-60s songs that today's classic hits stations are no longer playing.

 

[TheBigA]

Many of the satellite radio subscribers complain about all the early '60s songs being ignored. They also complain that the lower-charting songs aren't getting enough airplay.

What do you mean by "many?"

I wonder if there will someday be a "Music Of Your Life"-style network that plays the 1950s-60s songs that today's classic hits stations are no longer playing.

I think it's happening now. I just went to musicofyourlife.com, and heard Martha & The Vandellas!

 

[Thomps2525]

I say "many" because there are many. On that other site, there are hundreds of satellite radio subscribers, myself included, who complain that (a) the '60s channel ignores 1960-63 and plays too many of the big hits far too often, (b) the '70s channel ignores most of the adult-contemporary artists, (c) the '80s channel ignores most of the AC and R&B hits and sounds more like MTV, (d) the '90s channel, like the '80s channel, ignores most of the AC hits, (e) the '40s channel plays too many 1950s pop songs that don't belong, and (f) the '50s channel ignores most of the MOR hits, ignores 1950-53, and has no busioness playiong songs from the early '60s.

So Music Of Your Life is evolving? Are they playing more 1960s-70s pop hits? No more Jersey Bounce, Mood Indigo, Chickery Chick and When The Moon Comes Over The Mountain? Awwww.

 

[TheBigA]

I say "many" because there are many. On that other site, there are hundreds of satellite radio subscribers, myself included, who complain that (a) the '60s channel ignores 1960-63 and plays too many of the big hits far too often,

My view is that it's not a good idea to program a music service strictly by a calendar. People don't live their lives that way, and music doesn't always fit in neat chronological boxes. We can all identify songs from the 60s that sounded like they were from the 50s. A lot of those early 60s hits fit better on a 50s channel. I imagine someone at Sirius discovered that it was better to program to a clear demographic than simply to play anything that came out in certain decades. In that way, they're actually "programming" the channel. As a casual listener, I don't find myself sticking with any of those channels for long, mainly because something always comes up that fits the category, but not my taste. So I switch to another year.

 

[Thomps2525]

A channel called "The '40s Channel" should not be playing 1950s songs and a channel called "The '50s Channel" should not be playing '60s songs. Either play the appropriate years or rename the channels! KRTH claims to play "'60s, '70s and '80s" but the '60s songs are all from 1964 to 1969. Yeah, I guess that counts, even though it's a bit misleading.

Mister A, you say when you listen to a channel featuring a specific decade, you always hear songs you don't like. I wonder what the results would be if we did a poll and asked "In which decade of music did you like the most songs---'60s, '70s, '80s or '90s?" I imagine there were fewer disliked songs in the '60s than in the other three decades. After all, the '60s had the Beach Boys and the Motown artists and the British groups...but no rap or hip-hop or heavy metal or disco.

 

[K6JHU]

You haven't been lstening to the "40's of 4" lately. Jonathan Schwatrz has been running "High Standards" on the channel. Played Nora Jones, Cleo Laine, etc. Doesn't sound like 40's to me. Doesn't mean it isn't good though.

 

[TheBigA]

Either play the appropriate years or rename the channels!

The point is you're programming a radio station, not taking a history test.

 

[ChannelFlipper]

I say "many" because there are many. On that other site, there are hundreds of satellite radio subscribers, myself included, who complain that (a) the '60s channel ignores 1960-63 and plays too many of the big hits far too often, (b) the '70s channel ignores most of the adult-contemporary artists, (c) the '80s channel ignores most of the AC and R&B hits and sounds more like MTV, (d) the '90s channel, like the '80s channel, ignores most of the AC hits, (e) the '40s channel plays too many 1950s pop songs that don't belong, and (f) the '50s channel ignores most of the MOR hits, ignores 1950-53, and has no business playing songs from the early '60s.

Amen Brother!! Right on all counts. Give this man a prize.