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Superbowl (so far)

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landtuna said:
This was an American sport which was taking place in America (although some might disagree) and it deserved to adhere to basic family entertainment as a large part of the audience was undoubtedly under 18 years of age.
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The event was in Miami-Dade which is about 60% Hispanic, and where Hispanics have higher family income than non-Hispanic whites,
Just for starters.

This was Miami showing off its culture. As it should be.

Heck, I am breaking my diet right now at a Popeyes in the Palm Springs market. All the music is Cajun. My first radio job was at an r&b station in Cleveland running 10 half hour shows in 10 different languages. I took that as a broadening experience. Apparently you would not!
 
landtuna said:
This was an American sport which was taking place in America (although some might disagree) and it deserved to adhere to basic family entertainment as a large part of the audience was undoubtedly under 18 years of age. Those performers attract kids, especially underage girls, and their raw display was well outside that which we usually call family entertainment. Nobody better at lowering the bar than Fox.

Like bull fighting and cockfighting (which is animal cruelty by any measure), outlawed here for a reason. This is not Spain nor is it Puerto Rico and dogs are not food as they are elsewhere in the world. Use of the word "puritan" is a major disservice to those of us who vehemently oppose animal cruelty and the sexual exploitation of women.
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My under 18s were part of the audience. I’d have them be part of it again any day of the week compared to a great many things. Ditto those I know with under 18s.

This is not exploitation. These are strong, independent women performing in the spirit of their heritage. Exploitation is by nature non consensual, disempowering. That’s nowhere near what happened.
 
DavidEduardo said:
Pole dancing is part of very popular aerobic excerciseprograms among younger generations today. If I tried it I would probably be hospitalized, but it is used extensively with Millennials and even Gen Xerox.

The club at my housing area has had poles for exercise since the built a new facility a few years ago... and this area is about 99% non-Hispanic white.

You are objecting to something only very old non-ethnic find objectionable because they are unaware of how the concept has changed.
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The term "pole dancing" is meant to convey semi (or sometimes total) nude pole wrapping with the sole intent of making old demented guys stuff money into the 'dancers' equipment. You and I both know we were not talking about any form of exercise using a metal pole or silk wraps. These 'dancers' are not called "exotic" for no reason. Athletes using poles are called 'gymnasts' and are not tipped during their exercise.
 
DavidEduardo said:
Gee, to me there was not much difference between the two main artist's appearance of that show and the June Taylor Dancers on the Jackie Gleason show in the 50's or or the Radio City Rockettes. Well, there was one difference... they were better, and one of them is one of the ten best-selling record artists in history.

With "American" meaning more than Northwestern Europeans today, this was a magnificent display of the cultural fusion that has formed the country for several centuries.
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The Jackie Gleason show was not on in the afternoon when impressionable youngsters were watching.
The Jackie Gleason show was not a once a year extravaganza of so-called "talent." Your idea of a
"magnificent display of cultural fusion" was nothing more than a exhibition of nearly naked females
in skin tight costumes that left nothing to the imagination. As for the talent aspects, my guess
is that Barbara Streisand, Anne Murray and Helen Reddy could sing better at this point in their lives than
the no talent babes we saw on the superbowl.....
 
Prescott Joe said:
The Jackie Gleason show was not on in the afternoon when impressionable youngsters were watching.
The Jackie Gleason show was not a once a year extravaganza of so-called "talent." Your idea of a
"magnificent display of cultural fusion" was nothing more than a exhibition of nearly naked females
in skin tight costumes that left nothing to the imagination. As for the talent aspects, my guess
is that Barbara Streisand, Anne Murray and Helen Reddy could sing better at this point in their lives than
the no talent babes we saw on the superbowl.....
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I've heard all of those artists live, and countless times on TV. I have seen Shakira live many times, and know her and was one of the first to play her songs in the US and Latin America. So obviously I am a personal fan of someone I have supported for 25 years.

As a programmer, I have to say that Shakira is the broadest in appeal and unquestionably the best stylist. She is a top-10 of all time seller in the US as well as all of Latin America and much of Europe. The three you mention did not do particularly well in Latin America, despite the fact that English language pop is often the best selling recorded music over the last 60 to 70 years.

And I have heard Shakira in person in "unplugged" events and she is an absolutely marvelous singer. Her vocal talent exceeds that of those you mention... something I say without demeaning any of those three. Shakira, by the way, has recently passed Streisand as the best selling female artist in history.

And all four of the Hispanic artists in the show were a wonderful representation of the culture and community of Miami, the city that hosted the game. J-Lo from New York City (and had to learn Spanish as an adult), Bad Bunny from Puerto Rico, and both Shakira and J Balvin from Colombia (although Balvin is a long-time NYC resident). Miami-Dade, likewise, is about 80% populated by Cubans, Colombians, Venezuelans, Haitians, Puerto Ricans, Nicaraguans and others from our hemisphere... so those artists were very positive representatives of the town the game was played in.

The dress was totally appropriate for the music styles and the artists involved and the climate of Miami except for people with extremely dated morals. I thought it was professional and extremely well choreographed, too.

Remember, the Super Bowl artists get paid union minimum. They do it for the honor and the opportunity to please their fans. Shakira also did the World Cup theme and presentation 10 years ago... for about four times the number of viewers.
 
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landtuna said:
The term "pole dancing" is meant to convey semi (or sometimes total) nude pole wrapping with the sole intent of making old demented guys stuff money into the 'dancers' equipment. You and I both know we were not talking about any form of exercise using a metal pole or silk wraps. These 'dancers' are not called "exotic" for no reason. Athletes using poles are called 'gymnasts' and are not tipped during their exercise.
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You have not been to a gym lately.
 
Prescott Joe said:
As for the talent aspects, my guess is that Barbara Streisand, Anne Murray and Helen Reddy could sing better at this point in their lives than the no talent babes we saw on the superbowl.....
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Maybe so, but who would want to watch those old white women sing, outside of a small theater or a Native-American casino that caters to old people? Ms. Streisand could still deliver an audience, but the other two are has-beens who's best days were 45-50 years ago and have no appeal today, outside of maybe in their native countries.

You can put me down as one who thoroughly enjoyed the halftime show. It was the best one in years.
 
DavidEduardo said:
The dress was totally appropriate for the music styles and the artists involved and the climate of Miami except for people with extremely dated morals.
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Did any of the former European colonies represented -- in their current form as independent nations or U.S. possessions -- by the artists have the same "dated morals" at one time in their history, or are those strictly a Puritanical English construct brought over to this particular corner of the hemisphere?
 
It's not exactly subtle that the people complaining the loudest about the morals--and the CHILDREN....won't someone please think of the CHILDREN...seem to have paid remarkably close attention to the performance. And the attire. And they seem rather obsessed with "strippers."

Nor that people who are sniping about the talent watched the show.

Nor that people who are well-past the prime demographic audience are invoking names of people who were last popular before Shakira and J-Lo were born. (Or thereabouts.)

All pure coincidences, no doubt.
 
I guess I missed all of the excitement. I listened to the Superbowl game on the radio, with Kevin Harlan doing the play by play.

The most 'exciting' thing that happened, aside from Kansas City's comeback in the last quarter of the game, was an "M-F" and "F" bomb that made it onto the airwaves when celebration was going on the field, both words used by an enthused player apparently. Harlan apologized for the words accidently making it out onto the airwaves.
 
CTListener said:
Did any of the former European colonies represented -- in their current form as independent nations or U.S. possessions -- by the artists have the same "dated morals" at one time in their history, or are those strictly a Puritanical English construct brought over to this particular corner of the hemisphere?
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My guess is that the root for current objections by older white people in the US is more related to puritanical heritage ideas. Europeans, particularly the French, frequently have ridiculed what they see as "preaching morals in underwear" where clothing conservatism is accompanied by a society that is rather liberal otherwise.

Latin America Spanish speaking nations had some of the effects of the Inquisition. Those sentiments are at the root of nearly all Mayan documents being destroyed to the extent that only today we are learning how to ready the glyphs in the ancient ceremonial centers. And having a single religion for most of their European-controlled and influenced history made those nations conservative but that is more obvious in morals than in superficial dress.

It's a good question, though, and is all based on religious conservatism. One could write a series of books about those practices and the comparison of different colonies in the Americas.
 
I didn't watch the halftime show because J-Lo is a pompous narcissist and her and Shakira's music sucks.
 
We'll have to agree that we disagree on the "quality" of the halftime "show."
Had the "show" been on in the evening, say 8-9 pm, across all time zones,
I wouldn't be so objecting. The "show" was on about 5 pm pacific, 6 pm mountain,
and so on..... Phoenix, AZ has hosted the superbowl several times and you didn't
see the same emphasis on hispanic "culture" or lack thereof. The morals or
total lack thereof, society presents today, is one reason, among many, that
young people feel the need to act out in self destructive behavior. Perhaps
some of those who feel the "show" was "magnificent" should consult with
a psychologist at their earliest opportunity!
 
Yes. A display of culture is why “kids act out.”

As if that hasn’t happened for..well, multiple generations. Like many, many, many.

There was nothing immoral about the show. Not at 8 pm, not at 5 pm.
 
Prescott Joe said:
We'll have to agree that we disagree on the "quality" of the halftime "show."
Had the "show" been on in the evening, say 8-9 pm, across all time zones,
I wouldn't be so objecting. The "show" was on about 5 pm pacific, 6 pm mountain,
and so on..... Phoenix, AZ has hosted the superbowl several times and you didn't
see the same emphasis on hispanic "culture" or lack thereof. The morals or
total lack thereof, society presents today, is one reason, among many, that
young people feel the need to act out in self destructive behavior. Perhaps
some of those who feel the "show" was "magnificent" should consult with
a psychologist at their earliest opportunity!
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I don't care much for American "football" so I can't evaluate the game itself.

But the halftime show, which I always like to see (along with the ads), was about the best I have seen in over a decade. the lighting, choreography, quick transitions in medleys of the biggest songs were well done and the songs were all big hits from very big artists.

I also thought that having two women as the "star performers" in what is often seen as a male-focused event was a great statement.

And the game was in Miami. Miami-Dade is about two-thirds Hispanic and American football has far less popularity in general among Hispanics. So putting two of the biggest artists, and one a New York native, on the bill in Miami seems natural.

I'm not going to see a psychologist for a show I thought was magnificent. And while I have not discussed it with everyone I know, those that I have mentioned it to also found it excellent and fun.
 
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