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RADIO TRUTH said:
Talent in Dallas versus real personality djs is like comparing the Olive Garden to real Italian food.
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...and yet, with the proper amount of swill wine, they both taste like hamburger. ;D

RT, perspective is when one forms a subjective opinion based on what was seen. FACT, on the other hand, is when one understands objectively what is set on a friggin' platter. This forum is chock full of salient examples of legend this market has produced, insight as to what can better this lovely top-tier utopia and sage advice about how to make this a CONsultant free market.

And then there is coruscating, bite-size bits like this that would be better suited in a bowl of Kibbles for my puppy. Come on, seriously. Schtick is one thing. Blind commentary is something else.
 
RT,

Your last post finally had a little meaning, and I agree with some of it. That is unfortunately where radio is today, in pretty much every market. I'd venture to guess the few who do still have their freedom, have been in the business long enough to enjoy that luxery. But once they go, we'll see more of the same as long as things stay the way they are.

So stop bitching about the talent in this market. Like VDV says, if you don't like it then don't listen. You've managed to insult everyone, past and present, who has worked in this market. This needs to stop.

Rather than complain on a message board, why don't you try doing something more productive about the curreent state of affairs? Or at least follow VDV's advice and get an I-pod or Sat radio.

R
 
Actually, I have done something productive to bring back personality radio the way it should be. This will come out over time but, if you go back to some of the earliest posts, you might get a clue.
 
RADIO TRUTH said:
Actually, I have done something productive to bring back personality radio the way it should be. This will come out over time but, if you go back to some of the earliest posts, you might get a clue.
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I don't need a clue. And yay for you on your efforts. But I hope you don't claim bashing radio talent as an effort. If that's the case, I don't think that's effort. I think it's blunt stupidity...

R
 
What I say, write or think about DFW radio talent, or the lack thereof, has nothing to do with what I am going to do and have already done. I will give you one more little clue. There has been a past story about what I am doing that appeared nationally on the Fox Newschannel. Add 3 local stories about me (over the past few years) and what I am doing on Channel 8, 2 on Channel 4 and 2 on Channel 11 and in the future, it is going to the next level. For some reason Channel 5 doesn't love me. Some of the local reporters involved were Dan Godwin and Joel Thomas. Also, 2 stories in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram as well as about 50 more stories in various major U.
S. and Canadian papers such as the New York Daily News, Miami Herald, Tampa Tribune, San Diego Union Tribune,
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Kansas City Star, Toronto Star, Chicago Sun-Times and many others. It's all about personality radio and nobody gets any slack.
 
RADIO TRUTH said:
I am comparing current djs to what music djs had to do in the 60s.
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Current talent is better today than then. Sorry. Back then it was all about "the voice" and "the puke."

IMHO, the trick today is coming up with a new show every day. This is why comedians inevitably fail when they're put on radio FT. They have schtick. David Leee Roth had schtick. They can do essentially the same rehearsed show in a different city every day.

We, have to be more creative. And that's not radio as an industry's fault at all. We have to take it upon ourselves to connect within the confines laid out for us. ESPN seems to do it. They famously make sports, a niche product, palatable for the masses. How? Through creative promos, and amazing writing. If an aspiring air talent took a creative writing course, to learn to write for the ear, and not the eye, they'd be well-served.

It's all about finding the punchline, finding your out, and working backwards. Once you know where you're going, you can figure out how you're going to get there.

Listening to liner card readers does suck. But a talented jock, can deliver that liner with conviction and conceal that those words aren't theirs.

It's not what you say...it's how you say it.

That being said...I won't work for a station that wants liner card-readers. My choice. Yes, it does limit the outlets. But, I'd rather be happy in large market, than stifled in a major.
 
RADIO TRUTH said:
What I say, write or think about DFW radio talent, or the lack thereof, has nothing to do with what I am going to do and have already done. I will give you one more little clue. There has been a past story about what I am doing that appeared nationally on the Fox Newschannel. Add 3 local stories about me (over the past few years) and what I am doing on Channel 8, 2 on Channel 4 and 2 on Channel 11 and in the future, it is going to the next level. For some reason Channel 5 doesn't love me. Some of the local reporters involved were Dan Godwin and Joel Thomas. Also, 2 stories in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram as well as about 50 more stories in various major U.
S. and Canadian papers such as the New York Daily News, Miami Herald, Tampa Tribune, San Diego Union Tribune,
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Kansas City Star, Toronto Star, Chicago Sun-Times and many others. It's all about personality radio and nobody gets any slack.
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Perhaps you could actually expose the master plan, and maybe get people on board?

This is the communications industry. Right now your communications are cryptic, and veiled. Which means the message isn't cutting through and therefore failing.

A Program Director might refer to it as "clutter."
 
Why can't they do things like they did in the 60s? What is the deal with "the kids" and their music? Damn whippersnappers.

KAAM? C'mon... THAT is what you are using to prove that all radio in the country is bad? I have respect for where radio came from... but, it's not the same business. Better or worse. Richer or poorer. Do I like all things 2007-8 Radio? Absolutely not. But, it's all evolution. It's not just radio... it's everywhere. Stock prices are down... BECAUSE THE ECONOMY SUCKS.

1. You completely missed my point. I can see that listeners are satisfied, by in large. We are there for them when they get up, when they want music, when they want weather... etc. We are MUCH more minor to them in their lives than we are in yours. Trust me.

2. I don't believe for one second that your secret, covert plan to change radio as we know it ... is coming.

You think you KNOW who is and isn't ad-libbing and riffing and being original on their radio show? I can say for certain you are wrong. Certainly, the liner card guys and gals exist... but it ain't everywhere. Turn on Kidd Kraddick, Jody Dean, Billy The Kidd, Jagger, Dunham and Miller, Hal Jaye and Mark Davis some time. Those guys certainly aren't reading off a script. (By the way, everyone else, THEY aren't the only ones. Quick examples.) It might not be YOUR cup of tea... but people are listening. Given the onslaught of competition in the last ten years, radio listenership is pretty healthy.

You are mad because it isn't like it was. Get the chip off your shoulder. I implore you to take advantage of one of the numerous things that compete with radio. They were ALL GOING TO BEAT US. Yet... radio endures. It's still around.

Clearly, you are a dissatisfied customer. So... leave. Sometimes, in business, you take the loss. I think radio can deal with your being mad about it. That is... until you super secret covert plan to make everyone boss-jocks again takes affect.
 
Ok RT if you claim there has been much attention given to your so-called secret plan, then why are you hiding behind an alias on here? And furthermore, if it is a secret, why is it getting so much in-print coverage? Or are you just making all of this up to fool everyone?

The FIRST thing that needs to be done is to abolish the Telecom act. Why? Because this law allows a few players to own and control a vast amount of the chips. When ownership limits are active, radio as a whole is better. Of course the CONsultants will try and spin this...

R
 
RADIO TRUTH said:
What makes you think that I have the tolerance to listen to Dallas radio at all? What makes you think that I am not a broadcaster or consultant just voicing an opinion? My disdain for Dallas radio does not stand alone. I have
much disdain for radio across the U. S. Dallas happens to be particularly amateurish in relationship to its market size but, overall the problem is not so much Dallas but, the erosion and slow death of radio on a national basis.
This is why all broadcasting stocks are in the toilet. Once upon a time, talent was needed to be on-the-air but, those days are long past. Listening to current radio djs read liner cards and promos does not equate to talent. Any idiot can do it. Let every radio station get rid of all liner cards and promos and make all the djs have to adlib
over every song they play and we'll see how good they are. Current formats don't require any real talent. Voicetrack the stations or automate them and nobody would know the difference. There is one dj who does adlib
his whole show. He is the clown on Saturday nights on KAAM. Unfortunately, he has no ability and not enough literacy to come close to sounding like a major market dj. It would be interesting to see how many local djs could
sound entertaining and have personality while talking over every song without the use of liner cards and promos.
I am comparing current djs to what music djs had to do in the 60s.
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Like Everyone Says If you dont like it... Turn it off........
And Dont Cry About it.
Order what you want liten to what you get. OR Get XM or Sirus. And no im not a good Speller :p
Personally i think Dallas Radio is O.K. Not Great.. but it gets the job done. THeres some markets out there that i really like. JAcksonville FL is one of them... I'm not entirely sure how u can say all Markets are bad... And Only Clear Channel is going down the toilet. [We all know why] So before you say they all suck... try to actually listen to them all
 
RADIO TRUTH said:
What I say, write or think about DFW radio talent, or the lack thereof, has nothing to do with what I am going to do and have already done. I will give you one more little clue. There has been a past story about what I am doing that appeared nationally on the Fox Newschannel. Add 3 local stories about me (over the past few years) and what I am doing on Channel 8, 2 on Channel 4 and 2 on Channel 11 and in the future, it is going to the next level. For some reason Channel 5 doesn't love me. Some of the local reporters involved were Dan Godwin and Joel Thomas. Also, 2 stories in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram as well as about 50 more stories in various major U.
S. and Canadian papers such as the New York Daily News, Miami Herald, Tampa Tribune, San Diego Union Tribune,
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Kansas City Star, Toronto Star, Chicago Sun-Times and many others. It's all about personality radio and nobody gets any slack.
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Is part of your marketing plan really to come on a message board and insult a large number of people? Because it would seem to be counter-productive. Because if there's a large number of people on this board who, to put it bluntly, think you're an A-hole, and they find out what your big plan is, how do you think they're going to react to it?
"Hey it's a good idea, but there's a real a-hole running it". That's the best case scenario.

The worst case scenario is that people on this board, when asked by their bosses, co-workers, PD's, GM's, etc about your 'service' or "Product" or "whatever you want to call it" let their opinion of you, as a poster, color their opinion of your product...

And since you don't know just who exactly is posting on here, and what positions they might hold at major radio stations, do you REALLY think it's a good idea to be that abrasive?

Maybe personalitys back in the day were more talented. but to insult EVERYONE currently on the air everywhere seems a tad 'over the top' to say the least.
 
Addressing the above.....

For the person who thinks today's personality radio djs (and I use the term loosely) are better than the djs of the 60s probably heard 60s djs from the boonies like Dallas. In the 60s, the Dallas market had only 600000 people. This is one of the major things that killed 60s personality djs. There was a lack of talent to go round. That is why there were many 60s djs who got by on voice only. Here is a list of 60s djs who are all superior to any current music dj. These djs always adlibed 100% of the time. These djs could all do adlib humor spontaneously. There is no dj today who can adlib like these guys. Unfortunately, for most of the country, there weren't enough of these guys to go around. Listen to airchecks of the following list and learn. These djs had much more required of them than any dj today. Here is a partial list in no particular order.....Dan Ingram, Herb Oscar Anderson, Bob Dayton, Ron Lundy, Cousin Brucie, Bruce Morrow, Bob Lewis, Jack Carney, Fred Hall, Chuck Leonard, Jay Reynolds, Frank Kingston Smith, Scott Muni, Chuck Dunaway, Joe O'brien, Dan Daniels, B. Mitchell Reed, Gary Stevens, Jack Spector, Dean Anthony, Johnny Dark, Harry Harrison, Ted Brown and the Redhead, Peter Tripp, Mad Daddy, Pete Myers, Jack Lacy, Stan Z. Burns, Alan Freed, Bwana Johnny, Bill Bailey, Al Brady, Bob Lockwood, Mike Phillips, Ronnie Grant, Barney Pip, Jim Runyon, Jerry G. Bishop, Joel Sebastian, Jim Stagg, Larry Lujack, Ron Britain, Clark Weber, Dick Biondi, Dex Card, Don Phillips, Jerry Kaye, Gene Taylor, Art Roberts, Charlie Tuna, The Real Don Steele, Robert W. Morgan, Bill Ballance, Casey Kasem, Bob Eubanks, Gary Owens, Emperor Hudson, Jack Armstrong, Dr. Doctor Don Rose, Jim O'brien, Tom Dooley, Long John Wade, George Michael, Dan Donovan, Jerry Blavat, Hy Lit, George Taylor Morris, Rick Shaw, Roby Younge, Lee Sherwood, Mike Harvey, Jim Dunlap, Dan Chandler, Arnie Woo Woo Ginsberg, Dale Dorman, Melvin X. Melvin, Bill Drake, Paul Drew, Buzz Bennett, Bruce Bradley, Joey Reynolds, Sandy Beach, Ron Riley, Charlie Van Dyke, Wolfman Jack, George Klein, Robin Seymour and Dick Purtan. There is no current dj who can shine the shoes of any of the djs listed above. These guys could do off the cuff humor. I don't hear anybody today
that can come remotely close to this. This is why current morning shows are morning zoos with a guy, a designated laugher chick and another lackey. If there was one person who had the talent, they could do the whole show themselves but, that kind of talent does not exist today. One of the reasons for that is because some of the most talented and creative people do not want to work in radio anymore. They go into something else such as television or film. No creative person wants to work in today's world of almost automated radio and radio station owners like it this way because they can pay today's on the air bodies much less money.
 
Addressing what I am doing that gets all the television and newspaper publicity..... I will release more information when and if I am ready. I am not particularly concerned about any reaction from anybody on this board. The people on this board are either groupies or in some cases, people who are working or have worked in radio at some level. What I am doing is in progress, whether I post anything about it here or not. It makes absolutely no difference whether I release information on here. I will, when ready, be releasing information to local television and newspapers on a market by market basis. It's the general public that counts. If you wish to email me, you can at [email protected] If you write something that is valid and not moronic, I will email you back. If you want to talk to me on the phone, that can be arranged also.
 
RADIO TRUTH said:
Dan Ingram, Bob Dayton, Chuck Dunaway, Johnny Dark, Bwana Johnny, Art Roberts, Gary Owens, Jim O'brien, Tom Dooley, George Michael, Rick Shaw, Paul Drew, Charlie Van dyke, Wolfman Jack
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How could you mention so many jocks that once worked in the DALLAS-FORT WORTH market?!? Was that an accident? Or will you write it off to "They got out of here as fast as they could."

Dooley? C'mon. Maybe at WFIL, but not at KVIL or beyond.
 
RADIO TRUTH said:
For the person who thinks today's personality radio djs (and I use the term loosely) are better than the djs of the 60s probably heard 60s djs from the boonies like Dallas. In the 60s, the Dallas market had only 600000 people. This is one of the major things that killed 60s personality djs. There was a lack of talent to go round. That is why there were many 60s djs who got by on voice only. Here is a list of 60s djs who are all superior to any current music dj. These djs always adlibed 100% of the time. These djs could all do adlib humor spontaneously. There is no dj today who can adlib like these guys.
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How do you know this? This is nothing more than your opinion. You have no idea what they did for prep, or if they were rehearsed. Obviously, you're listing these people in an effort to denigrate the current personalities on the air in Dallas. It doesn't work. Your listing of those whom you contend are better, is nothing more than the same ranting of our parents. Tantamount to anyone saying "Tom Hanks is nowhere near as good an actor as Gregory Peck" or "None of the guys playing in the NFL today would rush for a hundred yards in a game in 1940." or, "The music today sucks when compared to the Beatles & Led Zeppelin"

...ok, for every point, there is a counter-point. You think it was all better back then. That's a common philosophy. But, the world is a different place than it was then. Most of those personalities weren't contending with the fact that radio is no longer the epicenter of the lifegroups they served. It used to be that SF radio stations told the community about the free clinic. Because newspapers and TV wouldn't dare discuss a subject like that. The advent of great special effects on TV have made the "theater of the mind" irrelevant. Society has become lazy. They don't have to think for themselves. They can get everything spelled out for them. And therefore the landscape that radio personalities are forced to adapt to, changes the way they must do their job. You cannot blame the talent for the rules they exist under. Or, the restrictions that their PDs & corporate place upon them.

Am I giving lazy talent a pass? Hell no. There have always been the great, and the mediocre. In your list, you omitted some of the great, and included some of the mediocre. None need be named because it's all subjective. And therein lies the entire crux of any talent-related debate. You don't like what you hear? Nobody's forcing you to listen. Feel free to move along to what you enjoy. It's (kind of) a free country.

RADIO TRUTH said:
Addressing what I am doing that gets all the television and newspaper publicity..... I will release more information when and if I am ready. I am not particularly concerned about any reaction from anybody on this board. The people on this board are either groupies or in some cases, people who are working or have worked in radio at some level.
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You might wanna think more about this. Many of us can be found every day on the dial. Most here understandably choose not to identify themselves because what they type could come back to burn them in their careers. Which is why you really should think before you type sometimes. Any one of the people who post here might be the head of any company, or even an FCC commissioner. You really don't know. And once you hit "post"...this stuff lives on forever. And it can, and does come back to haunt you. Ice-T put out a CD years ago called "Freedom Of Speech...Just Watch What You Say." The man's smarter than we give him credit for.

RADIO TRUTH said:
What I am doing is in progress, whether I post anything about it here or not. It makes absolutely no difference whether I release information on here. I will, when ready, be releasing information to local television and newspapers on a market by market basis. It's the general public that counts. If you wish to email me, you can at [email protected] If you write something that is valid and not moronic, I will email you back. If you want to talk to me on the phone, that can be arranged also.
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In the preceding paragraph, you slag the people on here because they "are either groupies or in some cases, people who are working or have worked in radio at some level." And then you use "radiogroupies" for your contact info. At a Yahoo address. Neither of which really lend credibility. It appears as if it is you who has sat on the outside and slung arrows. Let me ask you a serious question. I believe it would do much to bolster your position.

Have you ever actually done this?

Or, are you one of a myriad of self-professed programmers & consultants that have never had the ability to entertain? So, you develop "the plan." The old adage "those that can...do" applies here. You spend an inordinate time worrying about things you have less than zero control , or influence over. All you've done is present negativity, and contempt toward all who do this job that you allegedly know how to do better than everyone in Dallas. Yet, you're not confident enough in your philosophy to either present it, or identify yourself. It speaks volumes when you throw stones under the cloak of anonymity. Kind of like being a person who wants us to fear them by burning the American flag, but hides their face lest they be identified for their political stance.

If you're the master strategist as you contend, consider spending less time crowing, and more time doing.

Just one man who's done this for a living for 21 years' opinion. I'm comfortable enough to know I might be wrong.
 
It's never a good thing when Big Brother shows up... shoot.

How about a post entitled, "DFW Sucks?" and then beg aforementioned Orwellian reference to give us some latitude. That way RT can enlighten all of us radio retreads, hacks and neighsayers, DE can illuminate us all with his dazzling stats and the rest can be the pundits of wizardry that we are and enjoy the conversations.

Good times ensue.
 
Addressing the above.....

Mike Shannon above mentioned the following djs that I had listed as working in Dallas.....Dan Ingram, Bob Dayton, Chuck Dunaway, Johnny Dark, Bwana Johnny, Art Roberts, Gary Owens, Jim O'brien, Tom Dooley, George Michael, Rick Shaw, Paul Drew, Charlie Van dyke, Wolfman Jack. I think to be fair, you have to connect the dj to where he spent most of his time and was most famous. Let's go over this list and where these guys were most famous and in none of these cases was it DFW. Dan Ingram-WABC (Ingram was a kid and only on KBOX for the year of 59 he was from Long Island so he was going to head East after a stop at WIL, WIL provided WABC with a number of jocks), Bob Dayton-WABC, WPIX-FM, WCBS-FM, KRLA, KBLA, WIL, Barney Pip-(not mentioned by Mike Shannon) spent part of a year at KXOL before he went with Ken Draper to WPIX-FM, N. Y., Chuck Dunaway has been everywhere and was one of the original WABC jocks when they went top 40 12/60. He and Jack Carney both got fired and were replaced by Dan Ingram and Scott Muni,
Johnny Dark (the WMCA one, not Johnny Borders), Bwana Johnny (same as Barney Pip) spent time on KXOL before going to WWDJ, Hackensack, but, Bwana Johnny has also been in Miami, WSAI, KYA and various other places, Jim O'brien, WFIL (replacing Dr. Don Rose) and WOR-FM, Tom Dooley, WFIL (but everyone sounded great on WFIL), Art Roberts, the big 89, Gary Owens-KMPC, Laugh-In, George Michael, WFIL, WABC, Rick Shaw, WQAM, Paul Drew, more famous as a consultant who stole from Drake, Charlie Van dyke was a kid at KLIF, he was more famous at various other places, Wolfman Jack, south of the border in Mexico, he stunk on WNBC. These djs all passed through Dallas, as many did, but, their fame was elsewhere.
 
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