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WHY HAS 690 FAILED TO SHOW ?

Other possibilities for the GOOMboys, El Grupo Sin Oyentes:

XEWIFE - all divorce radio.

XEPERT - all expert radio programming advice starring David Eduardo.

XEPLODE - all sound effects.

XECEED - music to drive too fast by, kind of like KHJ's car radio fiasco.

XETRA - extra news over Los Angeles - 2 guys reading the AP and UPI wires, would probably beat KFWB and tie KNX.

or XE-ILE - programming for exiles from Mexico. Oh, wait a minute, that's what they're doing now.
 
zumahans said:
1. "XETRA is a classic border blaster." WRONG. Look it up anywhere, a classic border blaster was (a) in English, (b) selling products (many of them illegal or questionable), to (c) audiences all across the continent, relying on (d) direct response advertising. XETRA dates from, what, 1961?, and came after the border blaster era had petered out. XETRA has always been aimed at the SD and LA markets, having sales offices and occasional ratings (back in its all-news 60s, and briefly with Jim Rome) up in LA.

A border blaster is any Mexican station of significant power that directs its programming at more than a border "city pair."

XEAK and then XETRA were engineered to put very little power over Mexico and to send most of the RF towards Los Angeles and Sothern California.

The border blaster era did not "peter out" prior to 1961. The "goat gland" stuff did, but not the programming directed at the US, whether in English or Spanish. In fact, XERF put a new RCA 250 kw AM rig on in about 1959 under GM Sergio Ballesteros and ran religious and gospel and such programming (including The Wolfman) well into the 80's. XEG from Monterrey ran Spanish in daylight hours, and English at night into the 80's. XERB tried to serve LA and even Bakersfield etc., well into the 70's in English and in Spanish through the early 2000's from studios in Hollywood.

XELO, and later, XEROK 800 ran 150 kw from Juarez at the Southwest until the early 80's.

XETRA, even today, thinks it is serving LA, not San Diego and not the Tijuana market. Heck, it has studios in Burbank and does LA traffic reports.

The reason few still program at the US is that AM has declined so, especially in night time listening.

2. "Border blasters" like what you describe are far different from the Tijuana stations that serve the San Diego market 24/7, David. The old XEMO, XER, XERF, XEG etc. blowtorches used nighttime skywave AM propogation during the period from the 1930s through the 1950s to reach AM audiences all across North America. They included such colorful characters as Wolfman Jack, Rev. Ike, "Dr." J.R. Brinkley, and Pappy O'Daniel. Perhaps you should consult the excellent book "Border Radio: Quacks, Yodelers, Pitchmen, Psychics, and other Amazing Broadcasters of the American Airwaves" by Bill Bradford. Totally-incorrect conclusion.

XEMO-860 was never a border blaster, with 5 kw on 860.

XERF is the continuation of XER, with a new 250 kw transmitter installed in 1959! You forgot XELO, XEROK, XERB, XEAK, XETRA, XEPRS among the border blasters that continued on into the 60's and 70's and 80's.

I am shocked you do not know the true history of border blasters, which were AM stations that programmed shows (many of them for illegal, quack cures) for U.S. audiences at night. This is far different from an AM, FM or TV station providing conventional commercial programming 24/7 for just the one local market, San Diego.

XETRA today perfectly fits the definiton of a border blaster: using a huge signal to serve other than the local maket. XEPRS has a signal listenable in Anchorage, but they choose to use it as a local staiton. It is still a border blaster as it sends its signal towards the US, not its home country.

Sergio Ballesteros of XERF is a long-time friend of mine, now living in Puerto Rico. He managed XERF for Richard Eaton, who owned it in part via his Mexican wife.

3. I was making fun of Grupo Prisa, which is headquarters in MADRID. And I capitalize it because it is a proper noun, which in English is capitalized. This conversation is in English, and if that makes you squirm then perhaps we can switch over to German. Supercilious, fatuous correction.

Nah, you just don't know anything about PRISA.

And you know about as much about border blasters as you do about what the definiton of a market is, what the definiton of a rimshot is and about how "Tijuana" is not part of the San Diego market...

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SuperRadioFan said:
Only you would care about such trivia....

So if I say KIIS in LA is owned by Infinity, it is unimportant.

XETRA is owned / controlled by Grupo PRISA, not "Grupo de Madrid."

And KIIS is owned by Clear Channel.
 
Read the book, David.

Look at the internet, go ahead. Do a search on border blasters.

Skywave. Direct marketing. Goat glands. Wolfman. Audiences acorss 38 states at night.

A far cry from The Simpsons and Fox 6 San Diego News.

Then look at your posts:

Your points are wrong, wrong, supercilious stupid correction, wrong.

What stupid points you make. I love exposing phonies and frauds.

And by the way, despite your earlier posts, XEPRS remains a Rosarito station, and a part of the San Diego market. You are right about me using your information about Double X being the fourth highest billing station in the San Diego market, as it came from you, I should know it is highly dubious in terms of accuracy.
 
----->XETRA is owned / controlled by Grupo PRISA, not "Grupo de Madrid."

PRISA is headquartered in Madrid, since you are apparantly oblivious to that.

By the way, Pepe, Madrid is in Spain.

----->And KIIS is owned by Clear Channel.

First thing you got right.
 
zumahans said:
----->XETRA is owned / controlled by Grupo PRISA, not "Grupo de Madrid."

PRISA is headquartered in Madrid, since you are apparantly oblivious to that.

And the Madrid phone book has literally pages of companies whose name starts with "Grupo."

There are hundreds if not thousands of "grupos" in Madrid. In fact, there are a dozen radio companies whose name starts with "grupo."
 
zumahans said:
Read the book, David.

Look at the internet, go ahead. Do a search on border blasters.

Skywave. Direct marketing. Goat glands. Wolfman. Audiences acorss 38 states at night.

A far cry from The Simpsons and Fox 6 San Diego News.

And by the way, despite your earlier posts, XEPRS remains a Rosarito station, and a part of the San Diego market. You are right about me using your information about Double X being the fourth highest billing station in the San Diego market, as it came from you, I should know it is highly dubious in terms of accuracy.


I have read the book. It has many, many errors of fact. I went through it with Sergio Ballesteros, GM from about 1959 to 1970 of XERF, and he found some of the stuff just totally wrong. But, considering how little written history there ever was about the subjec, it is a good book that simply could be better were the people who ran the stations consulted (the author apparently does not speak Spanish and did not try to locate the Mexican operators behind the licences. In fact, they never thalked to Jack McVeigh or Jack Jr. of XELO, two key players in the era.

You are now confusing rimshots with border blasters.

XETRA (XEAK) and XEPRS (XERB) were designed to be border blasters. Directional towards the US, high power in a single lobe aimed away from al but a speck of Mexico, and great skywave in the eara when this was important.

XETRA.FM or XHLTN or XHRM or several of the TV channels are rimshots, located in an adjacent and separate market, and trying to serve a wealtihier one on the other side of a market boundry (and international border, too.)
 
Wow, David, a phone book. How quaint, a nice 1940s touch.

How many of those grupos own failed, former San Diego market radio stations?
 
---->I have read the book. It has many, many errors of fact.
Oh, the definitive book is wrong. Check.

----> XEPRS is in Tijuana, not Rosarito.
Check.

----->Fox 6 San Diego is not in San Diego.
Check.

---->XEAK and XERB were designed to be border blasters.

XETRA and XEPRS are designed to be San Diego market stations, using the same lobes, to the same effect. Ask their GMs if that is not true.

---->XETRA.FM or XHLTN or XHRM or several of the TV channels are rimshots, located in an adjacent and separate market, and trying to serve a wealtihier one on the other side of a market boundry (and international border, too.)

With studios, sales contracts, content from and audience in the San Diego market, they are San Diego market stations. Rimshots, sure, bujt still in the market. Just like the KURS example of yours, they don;t cover the whole SD market either, but from within San Diego County.

----->Madrid has a phone book with dozens of Grupos.

Madrid is not in the San Diego market. No matter what you say.
 
zumahans said:
"XETRA is a classic border blaster." Wrong, it hasn't been that since McLendon took over (what was it, XEAK I think?), back in 1961.

A signal desgned to render little if any service to the home market while pushing a huge lobe at Los Angeles is, by definition, a border blaster. XETRA under McLendon identified as "Extra news over Los Angleles." In other words, a border blaster with a near 300 kw single lobe aimed over the ocean towards LA.

"XEPRS is a Tijuana station." Wrong, it is licensed to Rosarito, as you correct people (see baltimore pages).

Uh, if you go back to the post you are misquoting out of context, you will see I was commenting the fact that XETRA... and XERB/XEPRS are Tijuana MARKET stations, not San Diego MARKET and not LA MARKET stations. Yet all operated as LA stations much of the time from the 60's on.

As I said, KBUE is licensed to Long Beach, but is an LA market station. In other words, it is home to the LA MSA. Neither XETRA nor XEPRS are home to San Diego or LA.


"XEPRS is a part of the Tijuana market." Wrong, it has forsaken its transmitter site and has studios, accounts, contracts, and audience in San Diego, making it a San Diego market station.

From 1975 to about 2003, they had studios in Hollywood, because they were operating as a border blaster with a narrow beam aimed across the water at LA. In fact, they have horrible coverage of eastern SD County as they designed the facility to hit LA as a border blaster.

But both are Tijuana market stations. The owners or operators chose to use the border blaster status of these stations to deliver programming to a distant market.

"XETV 'Fox 6 San Diego' is not a San Diego market station." Wrong, only its transmitter is in Mexico, 90 percent of its viewers watch a signal that has never set zapatos in Mexico, and its xmtr location is a mere vestige of 1950s TV technology, not new millenium marketing and usage facts. Studios, programming source, accolunts, audience, all in El Norte.

Yet they have to have a 325b waiver from the FCC and a permit from the SCT to do what they are doing, and still do not qualify for must-carry as they are not local staitons home to the SD market.


And how does it all relate to 690's failure to show in the ratings? Pay attention, David, connect the dots. It shows that 690 is a station owned by parachute artists called the Group Of Owners de Madrid (the GOOMboys) ostensibly programmed for the San Diego market (per their statements), but has woefully failed, while at the same time making the Old Gabacho's grand pronouncements and corrections demonstrably wrong.

XETRA has studios in Burbank. The traffic reports are for LA. The few clients they have are in LA. The sales staff is in LA. The jocks were hired for thheir recognition in LA. The research they did was conducted only in LA.

XETRA is a border blaster for the current decade, using a directional signal aimed at LA and intended for daytime groundwave reception in LA.

But the station itself is a Tijuana market station, rimshotting (I take a liberty here as "rimshot" is usually applied to TV and FM, not AM) the LA market.

XETRA is in no manner programmed for San Diego. It is programmed for LA.
 
OldGringo said:
XETRA is a border blaster for the current decade, using a directional signal aimed at LA and intended for daytime groundwave reception in LA.

But the station itself is a Tijuana market station, rimshotting (I take a liberty here as "rimshot" is usually applied to TV and FM, not AM) the LA market.

XETRA is in no manner programmed for San Diego. It is programmed for LA.

In the past (when 690 was still English) you always opined that the signal in the LA area was not very usable. So which is it?
 
zumahans said:
---->I have read the book. It has many, many errors of fact.
Oh, the definitive book is wrong. Check.

Yes, it is full of errors.

----> XEPRS is in Tijuana, not Rosarito.
Check.

No, it is in the Tijuana metro.

---->XEAK and XERB were designed to be border blasters.

XETRA and XEPRS are designed to be San Diego market stations, using the same lobes, to the same effect. Ask their GMs if that is not true.

The GM of XETRA is in Burbank. They, as I have said, program for LA. As did McLendon and Noble & Asociados in thier day. XEPRS for 3 decades under Teddy Fregoso programmed for LA, with studios in Hollywood. In fact, 1090 is not a complete SD County signal, needing an FM to complete the coverage, so aimed at LA was the origianal design.

Both stations were built to send the signal N by NW over the ocean to hig LA. In other words, Border Blasters aimed at LA:

---->XETRA.FM or XHLTN or XHRM or several of the TV channels are rimshots, located in an adjacent and separate market, and trying to serve a wealtihier one on the other side of a market boundry (and international border, too.)

With studios, sales contracts, content from and audience in the San Diego market, they are San Diego market stations. Rimshots, sure, bujt still in the market. Just like the KURS example of yours, they don;t cover the whole SD market either, but from within San Diego County.

XHLTN programs 100% from Tijuana at San Diego. All are rimshots. They are in the tijuana market, but trying to make money in an adjacent market.


----->Madrid has a phone book with dozens of Grupos.

Madrid is not in the San Diego market. No matter what you say.

Even the mutterings of a monkey sound correct when lifted from context.
 
SuperRadioFan said:
OldGringo said:
XETRA is a border blaster for the current decade, using a directional signal aimed at LA and intended for daytime groundwave reception in LA.

But the station itself is a Tijuana market station, rimshotting (I take a liberty here as "rimshot" is usually applied to TV and FM, not AM) the LA market.

XETRA is in no manner programmed for San Diego. It is programmed for LA.

In the past (when 690 was still English) you always opined that the signal in the LA area was not very usable. So which is it?

It is not very usable. In fact, the usable signal (about 15 mv/m) does not cover or even disect any HDHA in LA. However, that does not seem ot have discouraged the PRISA folks from trying to get audience in LA by making 100% of its programming focused on LA.

The decision to do this was not of my making, despite my statements to the contrary to the executives from Madrid PRISA HQ.
 
David Eduardo / El Gabacho Viejo wrote---->"...the decision making 100% of its programming focused on LA was not of my making, despite my statements to the contrary...."


So the decision was of your making?

Or just mere quotes of a monkey?
 
zumahans said:
David Eduardo / El Gabacho Viejo wrote---->"...the decision making 100% of its programming focused on LA was not of my making, despite my statements to the contrary...."


So the decision was of your making?

Or just mere quotes of a monkey?

No, several years ago I met with the PRiSA management from Spain and Mexico in Mexico City where I was doing a seminar for them, and they asked about the use of XETRA which they had just agreed to buy.
 
I bet they think it is in the San Diego market, even after having been set straight by you.
 
zumahans said:
I bet they think it is in the San Diego market, even after having been set straight by you.

No, they don't. That is why, as I have said a half-dozen times, the talent is LA talent, the studios are in LA, the traffic reports are for the LA market, the commercials are for LA accounts, the sellers are in LA, the research was done in LA, etc.

All you have to do is listen. They think they are an LA station in every way.

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zumahans said:
I bet they think it is in the San Diego market, even after having been set straight by you.

No, they don't. That is why, as I have said a half-dozen times, the talent is LA talent, the studios are in LA, the traffic reports are for the LA market, the commercials are for LA accounts, the sellers are in LA, the research was done in LA, etc.

All you have to do is listen. They think they are an LA station in every way.

They also know that there are more specific Hiispanic dollars in LA than the total dollars in the whole SD market. LA has at least $200 million Hispanic dollars, about equal to SD market billing.
 
Fair enough. The owners of XETRA think they own a station in the LA market.

And when and if (a very big if) they get listeners up here, sales up here, studios up here, and presence up here, they will be an LA market station.

Like you, I give the chances of this happening a zero. But if it did, they would be an LA market station with the transmitter two markets, three counties, and 1.2 million illegal immigrants away.
 
I hate to break up this lemur love fest

David, I really respect your standing, why fight it out with verbal darts?
 
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